View Poll Results: Do you miss soft and durable inflatables
Yes I miss them a lot 10 90.91%
No what we have now is okay 1 9.09%
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Old 12-11-2016, 11:48 AM
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Yes, it's getting very difficult to find PVC inflatables that have that certain softness, and with the NP regulations they are becoming close to non existant to find.

However that's not to say that it's impossible; it just takes a little patience and being a bit naughty. I don't so much go out of the way looking for inflatables, however will check what a store has to offer if I happen to be there.

Recently I had to go to a variety store for buying some greeting cards for wishing family well, and happen to pass the toys / inflatables section. I noticed that the store had a new range of inflatables, so spent some time checking them out.

I first saw that they had large swim rings and thought that I'll open up one of the packs to see how soft the plastic is. It felt nice, soft, and gummy, and immediately ten of them went into my shopping basket. Next thing was a inflatable tire. Again one of the boxes were opened, and the plastic was of a matt, thick, and hard texture, so bang, it went back onto the shelf as fast as lightening.

lastly I checked the inflatable sharks, measuring around 184cm. Again another package was ripped opened for feeling the plastic, and though a little thicker, the PVC was shiny, gummy, and smooth, so five of them came flying off the shelf.

So, though still nowhere as desirable as the olden days, they are inflatables that are still made of plastic that's reasonably soft if one knows were to look.

However one would be curious to find out where or if they are still any phthalate based plastic inflatables somewhere for sale.
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Old 12-11-2016, 04:02 PM
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You can still get vinyl made from phthalates- most PVC rainwear is still made from this stuff, it's mainly if the intended use of the item is to be in kids toys like pool toys where it can end up in the mouth it must be of NP vinyl. Most of the newer vinyls these days are hard, less supple purely down to cost, good vinyl is still available but most toy manufacturers in the Far East make items to a given cost and aren't too fussed over the quality of foil material they use. If you specify a given grade of material like 0.20mm gloss manufacturers will easily allow for this- if you're prepared to pay extra for it. As fetishists after something fairly specific it's easy to find a manufacturer that'll either have, or can get what you want but a roll of vinyl sheet can cost thousands of pounds if it's something specific you want but they don't hold stocks of it. Then you've got to ask if it's financially reasonable to make the item.

Three years ago I had a load of giant 96x96 inch 0.20mm (pooltoy grade) gloss red valentines decorations made. They could have made them much cheaper but I wanted something really sturdy and tough that could take a person(s) combined weight from old phthalates based vinyl. The manufacturer I chose could do this (but at a higher price compared to using new NP vinyl- but that's another story).

As is though, you can still easily buy new-old stock 48inch beach balls in the US that date from the 80's- look for Challenge Sport's 48 inch beach ball on places like Amazon. The only problem(s) are prohibited shipping costs to places outside of the US, and small 1# sized valves. They can take ages to orally inflate!

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Old 12-11-2016, 10:02 PM
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@craggy, interesting, I didn't know that, I thought the NP was a part of some world wide enviro treaty or trade thing whatever, and just part of the fun (sarcasm) of living in the 21st century.

So if I understand correctly, one can stipulate phthalate base plastics, like for example a product design request on Alibaba, and they would be manufacturers that would oblige?

A few years ago, I posted a request on Alibaba for getting some custom bop bags and specifically asked for the thinnest PVC. Upon getting the sample set of five, they still felt rather hard to stiff, which was somewhat disappointing.

Idealistically, I'm looking for plastics that are very thin, and for giving an idea of the texture I love, one just has to moderately press into the plastic with the thumb, and you could see the plastic bulge in that spot - that for me is the bees knees for knowing if something is going to really turn me on. Nothing like the sensation of feeling that plastic melting under ones fingers, I do like; what one could say is gentle clawing.

I used to claw with my Q24s but was to affraid that they would unexpectedly pop. Doing such with PVCs seems to be the more safer way.
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Old 12-11-2016, 10:55 PM
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Commercially speaking it's easier (and cheaper) to add non phthalate plasticisers to the vinyl monomer than run two separate costly production processes just to satisfy demand for vinyl foils. As your probably aware though there's a few safer alternative NP plasticisers on the market these days, but they don't have the longevity or provide the stretchy, softness of the nastier prohibited substances now band in places like the EU, but then again manufacturers also know inflatable goods are inherently weak and within a timespan of a few months, to years, the item will simply end up 'land filled' as the plasticisers used make the PVC, also leave the PVC as non recyclable!

So, there's little to no incentive for manufacturers to make PVC that'll either last, but to also biodegrade and break down more quicker and be safer to ecosystems once in the environment sadly.
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Old 13-11-2016, 02:07 AM
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That's what I thought, the lack of incentive is what's drying it up, but within such a large place like China, I would think they would be at least a factory or two rolling off at least some phthalate based plastics. I just hoped that China being a large market that this could still be the case.

Hyperthetically speaking if I requested such on Alibaba, one would like to think that obtaining it wouldn't be a problem. I'm suspecting that if any is still available, yeah, the choice in colours and tones might not be much, maybe the basic colours of black, blue, red, or yellow, but to me colour doesn't matter that much.

Then if a manufacturer took my offer of a custom design, they would (I would think) need to obtain a roll of the raw plastic that will be cut, and then stitched and binded together. This would be MUCH MORE expensive if for example I'm asking for an item that would be made of three or four colours; this means they would have to source four seperate lots of plastic from (probably) more then one location. I guess this is where the expense would come in. This is where NOW I emphasise that one would be out of luck of getting the item made of 100% phthalate plastic...... however......

If I just (for argument sake) requested a custom bop bag to be pure blue, and the factory was able to source a role of that blue plastic from a phthalate based source then to me, this is fine.

So am I understanding this right?, or is it zip, nothing, zilch impossible for obtaining any phthalate plastic world wide, even if I have to pay more for it.

Also straightening out any confusion, we are talking PVC plastic here, as you did mention foil, which I talked about in the other thread. The beverage wine / spring water / orange juice cask bladders are made of the same very thin aluminium as you find with oven bake foils, the same stuff that's on rolls one would buy at a grocery store. When foil is so thin, lack of phthalate is not as noticable compared to PVCs, as generally PVCs are made of much thicker guages then oven baking or cooking foil.

Just for the non aussies on here, a beverage bladder is basically two sheets of very thin cooking foil sealed together. If inflated, think of an inflated pillow made of this foil. Then in the corner there is a valve sealed into one corner of the plastic where the beverage is dispensed. When completely emptied, these things then can be inflated into blow up foil pillows. In Australia, the cheaper wine is sold in these, and more commonly they are used for spring water.
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Found a 1994 aqua leisure pool mattress I'm repairing but need to know what to use to fix the leaky valve. The other punctures are completely able to be patched.
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Leaky valve? Easiest way to repair is to replace the valve if you can track down a bigger one to replace it with. Salvage one from a donor inflatable and keep plenty of the surrounding vinyl with it when you cut it out. Then you can cafeully cut away the original valve and glue the replacement down over the hole left from the original.
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