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Old 15-11-2016, 02:59 AM
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Default Leads on phthalate based PVC inflatables or ones that feel like they do
There has been discussion on these forums, and even some talk at balloon buddies about the pre phthalate ban PVCs, and how much more softer and smoother they feel. If possible, I would like to propose this thread to be a leads list of items that you have bought recently, that may still contain phthalate, or if not, at least feel like it.

Last week I bought a trial selection of inflatables from my variety store. The quality was mixed during inflation, however still somewhat surprising. Though turning out to be quite big, measuring 183 cm; the inflatable sharks from Driclad were rubbish, as the plastic was hard, stiff, and covered in safety warnings which took away from the visual arousal.

Doing better were these inflatable battle sticks from Driclad. Though they felts still somewhat hard, a good firm inflation had stretched them, thus softening the thickness. When clawing, the plastic started squeeking and stretching more, so these ended up on my bulk list to buy. They measure 119 cm in length, only small drawback is the printed design on them is of a matt finish.

https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/VCcAAOSwA3dYJ97S/$_35.JPG

However............. the winner here is the Driclad inflatable swim tubes measuring 91 cm width when inflated. These I do suspect have some form of phthalate in them. Interestingly on the day I opened some boxes and bags for sampling what plastic each inflatable used, the blue and yellow tubes were somewhat thicker and stiffer. However strangely the pink ones felt way softer and gummier.

Whether this was just a consistency issue from the bulk PVC sheeting the tubes were cut from, or a higher degree of plasticiser was used for the entire run of pink tubes, I simply LOVE LOVE LOVE these. I blew one up yesterday, and it just felt like a huge balloon, I was blown off my couch.

So in the end, a few dozen packs of the inflatable battle sticks, and a crate full of these pink tubes landed into my trolley. I got a whole heap of 91 cm's for generally looning and finger clawing, and 76 cm's for some foot digging.

So, now up to everyone else, love to know any leads. Thanks to Craggy2012 who mentioned new-old-stock of 80s challenge sports 48 inch beach balls, but checking all over google, amazon, ebay, gumtree drew no cigar.
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Old 28-11-2016, 05:48 PM
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Default Re: Leads on phthalate based PVC inflatables or ones that feel like they do
inflatableworld.de has some very nice inflatables -- no warning labels, very soft, usually pretty big and the smell out of the packaging is amazing. They do tend to be a bit on the pricey side, but much less so than a custom toy would set you back.

In the interest of full disclosure, I've actually pitched and had them run a design of mine and am trying to wrangle an artist for another one.
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:58 PM
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Hey! Bit late to the party here I know...

Q24heaven, do you have any pictures of the pink driclad tubes, or could you offer any advice on where I can get one? I LOVE the sound of these!!
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:48 AM
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@Riftwing, Yes, that was me, I used to be Q24heaven, but I've lost my password, and no longer could get into my old account.

I bought quite a few from Big W, well the ones I bought anyway were purchased from Miranda. I ended up buying some smaller ones for digging my thongs into, and I can also confirm that the blue and yellows also now used the thinner gummier plastic.


I recently also bought a heap of beach balls from D&L Toys, but as much as the people running it offer a great service, as in the sense of a looner perspective, their products are not consistant.

About three years ago, I bought a sample lot of balls off them to check what type of PVC was used and the softness. The White/Red/Blue ones were pure bliss. The best way I can explain it is in some sense like viscosity. Think of high viscosity as thick liquid and low viscosity being thinner.

The plastic "I swear" was 100% phthlate based, one could see that nice translucency through the red panels. The thin soft feel of the plastic felt akin to a very low viscosity. A moderate push in with the side of ones thumb would make the plastic squeek like a balloon, and they'd be a visible thinning of the plastic where I poked my thumb, this absolutely got me burning white hot.

But that's the thing, the balls colours are all opaque, and the translucency wasn't a result from them using a transparent PVC, it was the kind of plastic used had a very smooth plastersizer, which gave it that look, and that very nice feel.

Now on a winner here, I decided to buy those guys out of their remaining white red and blue balls, which arrived last week. Unfortunately the phthalate / plastersizer formulation was different. These newer balls didn't have that nice translucency, nor the squeeky stretchy soft plastic as the previous ones. The balls are okay, here I come with that word again.. viscosity. With these balls the PVC felt thicker, with a much higher viscosity.

So in a way, I'm back to square one again. I have noted in another thread that I have found some Chinese manufacturers that still use this kind of plastic.

I would really love to check them out, but money wise I'm somewhat tight; getting one sample made from one of these chinese factories costs about $80 to $150. If the sample is wrong, then the sample cost has to be paid again for a new sample. One has to be seriously coined up big time to get something happening here.

Ultimately I would love to get several hundred 40" balls made, and a good number of 78" inflatable flipflops, but something like this would come to about US$25,000.

If I definitely know the base plastic / phthalate / plastersizer mix is right, then I would love to get a good amount made; it seems to be the consistancy of the PVC plastic mixes that's a headache.
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Old 10-06-2017, 09:17 PM
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Anyone bought Sunnylife products before? I wonder if they are any good.
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Old 10-06-2017, 10:41 PM
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If you're referring to this site, they seem to be very, very expensive.

https://www.papierdamour.com.au/home...html?limit=all
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Might be worth it if they are good quality.
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:31 AM
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@Big Thud Joe - ah thanks for the reply! That pink ring looks absolutely wonderful...

I have tried to find them, but it seems like they are rather rare now as I can't find them for sale anywhere!

This is probably kind of a long shot, but do you happen to have more than one of the stretchy squeaky pink Driclad tubes? And if so, would you be willing to sell one? :O

If not, I'd love to see a video showing how squeaky and stretchy they are~ :3

Those 'low viscosity' beach balls sound lovely too. Any pictures or audio of them?
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Old 11-06-2017, 04:52 PM
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@riftwing, as far as posting videos and so forth, will get some up to my old looning channel soon. Not sure where you are, but here in Sydney (we're in the middle of winter) it's rather cold at present, meaning my current looning activities are inflating hammers, garbage bags, and goon bags. But as soon as the weather warms up, I'll be glad to shoot some vids.

The cooler weather doesn't give me much kick for blowing up pool stuff, these things normally come out when the shorts and thongs are being worn during spring and summer (September through to April).

As far as selling, can't promise anything, but will definitely raid my garage where I keep my new bulk stash of inflatables to see what I've got.

Keep in mind that these stores sell these things seasonally. Again, not sure on your location, but if you're here in Australia, check the Big Ws, Target's, and Toys R Us's around October through to December, this is the best time to find this stuff everywhere.
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Old 11-06-2017, 08:41 PM
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@Big Thud Joe ahh that would be awesome if you could have a look. If you have any spare I will gladly pay you for one!

I am in the UK so it's possible that those particular tubes are not sold over here... We are just in the run up to summer here though, so there are more inflatables appearing on store shelves, although most of them are rather stiff and not as soft and stretchy as they could be.

That being said I did recently buy a lilo which is a sort of mint green colour and is made of a lovely glossy elastic squeaky vinyl! It's not quite as nice as what you were describing with the tubes, but it is pretty hot... I have it currently inflated in my hotel room (I am on a business trip at the moment) and I plan on sleeping on it tonight!
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